<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-846171859971967553</id><updated>2011-11-30T16:02:18.329-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Sans Approbation</title><subtitle type='html'>Because there are more things in Heaven and Hell than are dreamt of in your philosophies</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://sansapprobation.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/846171859971967553/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://sansapprobation.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>sansapprobation</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01054558677860972050</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AhAG8ejWA5U/TtbEAjvUwfI/AAAAAAAAACg/3zsKHTn_Pkc/s220/n68602906_31018071_3209.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>3</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-846171859971967553.post-2417208087733417430</id><published>2011-03-23T22:25:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2011-03-28T15:34:13.898-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Oh, Hell</title><content type='html'>So, I have some problems with the traditional evangelical view of hell. I also have some problems with the traditional evangelical view of heaven, but I want to focus on my issues with hell first. There is quite a bit of buzz on the topic thanks to Rob Bell's new book &lt;i&gt;Love Wins&lt;/i&gt; in which he, apparently, asserts the doctrine of universalism (the belief that all people are ultimately saved through Christ's death). I have yet to read the book, but I'm interested in the argument he makes. Up front, I don't agree with him on universalism, even though I would really, really like to do so. The buzz around his book has, however, gotten me thinking a lot about hell as we evangelicals traditionally look at it, and some things aren't quite stacking up in my mind about our traditional view. I want to expound a little on what this traditional view is, and then I want to bring up some of the issues about which I am wondering. Please note that I am not taking a doctrinal stance here, just asking questions about which I am seriously concerned and to which I am genuinely seeking answers. If you have 'em, bring 'em. Please.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Traditional view of Hell (in handy bullet point style):&lt;br /&gt;1. Eternal&lt;br /&gt;2. Lake of fire&lt;br /&gt;3. Criteria for entrance is rejection of Christ&lt;br /&gt;4. Post-mortem (2 views: immediately post-mortem and only post-resurrection)&lt;br /&gt;5. Possibly graded punishment, but eternal nevertheless&lt;br /&gt;6. Physical/emotional/spiritual pain&lt;br /&gt;7. Absent from God's presence&lt;br /&gt;8. Just penalty for sin and rebellion&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me know if I've left anything important out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are the issues I am having:&lt;br /&gt;1. If hell is an immediately post-mortem experience, with what do people in hell experience pain? Physical pain would require a physical body to experience. We only understand pain through the stimulation of our bodies' nervous systems. Without those, it would be impossible to experience physical pain, so that means hell would have to be composed solely of emotional pain. What would that be?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. If hell does occur after the resurrection and judgment, then this solves the issue of physical pain. However, what keeps those physical bodies alive in hell to experience pain for eternity? Part of the teaching about heaven is that Christians will have glorified bodies, which people typically understand is why we can live forever. However, will those in hell be given glorified bodies so that they can experience punishment forever? If not, how do their mundane bodies stay alive?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. If death is the punishment for sin, then why do non-Christians have to pay for their sins twice? They die once due to the effects of sin in the world, so why do they have to spend eternity in punishment as well?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. On a related note, if the prescribed punishment for sin is eternal death, then it does not seem like Christ's sacrifice would be sufficient to pay the penalty for sin, as is traditionally taught. In order for this to be the case he would have had to be not just crucified, but he also would have had to experience suffering in hell for eternity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. If the punishment for sin is not graded, how is it just that sinners experience infinite torment for finite sin? This is one that has always bothered me and is, I think, the most difficult for Christians to answer. Even we humans understand that it is not justice for all crimes to be punished with the maximum penalty. We don't execute jay walkers. Why would God, who is supposed to be infinitely just, do essentially the same thing?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. If punishment is then graded to the sins that each person committed, how does that balance over eternity? How would the punishment of Gandhi stack up against Hitler? Is there some point at which their punishment ends? If so, then what?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7. The doctrine of God's omnipresence seems anti-thetical to the idea that hell is a place that is devoid of his presence. If God is everywhere at once, then it seems non-sensical to assert that there is one special place where he is not. However, if he is present in hell, then this means that God continues to suffer the existence of evil eternally, which does not seem to fit the Scriptural picture of God triumphing over evil with finality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. One of the most common passages used to talk about hell, Matthew 25:31-46 (the parable of the sheep and the goats) states categorically that it is right action, not right belief, that determines the ultimate destination of the sheep and goats. The sheep are commended for doing good and gain eternal life. The goats are chastised for failing to do good and receive eternal punishment. This runs very much against the grain of the evangelical belief that faith in Christ is sufficient to avoid damnation. I am not saying that Scripture teaches works-based salvation, but if we use this passage to talk about hell, we also need to seriously consider what it is that the passage talks about earning one a spot there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, that is where I am right now. If you have thoughts on any of these issues, please share them. I'd love to dialogue and really come to an understanding on this subject.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/846171859971967553-2417208087733417430?l=sansapprobation.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://sansapprobation.blogspot.com/feeds/2417208087733417430/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=846171859971967553&amp;postID=2417208087733417430' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/846171859971967553/posts/default/2417208087733417430'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/846171859971967553/posts/default/2417208087733417430'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://sansapprobation.blogspot.com/2011/03/oh-hell.html' title='Oh, Hell'/><author><name>sansapprobation</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01054558677860972050</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AhAG8ejWA5U/TtbEAjvUwfI/AAAAAAAAACg/3zsKHTn_Pkc/s220/n68602906_31018071_3209.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-846171859971967553.post-2036822546366666233</id><published>2011-02-15T14:48:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2011-02-16T16:16:32.247-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Identity and the Search for Significance</title><content type='html'>Self-realization is a frightening prospect. More often than not, our real motives for doing x instead of y are much less noble and virtuous than we typically give ourselves credit for. Throughout the past year, largely due to the influence of one of my classes, I have been doing a great deal of soul-searching and have begun the process of understanding myself for the first time. Not surprisingly, this has been a humbling task because it turns out that I am not nearly as good as I thought.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the fundamental components to self-realization is understanding this truth: We all wear masks. We wear different ones at different times, and each person wears theirs for a different reason. Self-realization involves identifying what masks you wear, to what extent you allow those masks to form your identity and what, beneath those masks, is the real you. This is the difference between image and identity. Image is how we wish to appear to others. Identity is what we are underneath.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are a few points I want to make on this subject:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, we choose the masks we wear. We all have an idea of how we want to appear to others, and that image forms the mask we wear. Usually, we have different masks for different situations. For instance, I have my school mask, my Army mask, my friend mask and my work mask, to name a few. In each of those situations, there is a perception that I want to convey which is never the truth about myself. Oh, sure, there are parts of those images that are true, but they are never really the whole me, and some aspects of them are not really me at all. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Second, wearing masks is not necessarily a bad thing. Thanks to human depravity, it can be a dangerous thing to let those around us see our true selves. Judgment and rejection from those whose approval we seek can be highly damaging to our ego and cause us retreat from social contact. Masks are our defense mechanism. They let us convey as much or as little about ourselves as we feel comfortable with in a particular situation, while . My friendship mask is a lot more true-to-self than my Army mask. The problem with them comes when we start to believe the images that we convey to others. This is known as self-deception, and can quickly divorce us from reality and a healthy view of who we are. As a long term victim, I can assure you full well the dangers of allowing this to happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Third, there will usually be one mask we use primarily, and it will augment the other masks we wear. This is the mask that most reveals our character, as it reveals our strongest underlying desires. For myself, it is the view that "I am significant." I have been told many different times by many different people that I am exceptional. Exceptionally intelligent. Exceptionally well-read. Exceptionally athletic. Exceptionally good looking (only my wife has said this, but it has been said!). But, the truth is, I do not believe it for a second when someone tells me that I am exceptional. I know for true because the search for significance plays a primary part in every mask that I wear. In my theology mask, I want to say something profound. In my Army mask, I want to be a super soldier. In my husband mask, I want to be the best husband and lover that my wife could ever have. Make sure you don't mistake me: When I say "I want to be" I mean "I want others to see me as." But, really, I do not see myself as any of those things. Really, I see myself as very plain and ordinary, but with a fierce longing to be something more than I am.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, we are not fooling anyone. When I was younger, my search for significance led me to tell some extravagant lies about myself. In retrospect, I'm sure no one believed any of them, but I wanted them to think that I was special, and that I needed a certain story for that to happen.  People know that they are not seeing the real you, because they are not showing you the real them. The key to developing relational intimacy is to be guarded while at the same time being honest. People would have been more accepting of me if I had been less forthcoming about who I was, but more honest about it. The lies told them that I was someone who could not be trusted, and so someone they could not let their own guard down around. When we are honest with each other, we begin to develop trust, which allows us to lower our guards somewhat and be even more honest with each other. As this cycle continues, intimacy develops, and we find people with whom we can truly be ourselves without fear of censure and rejection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/846171859971967553-2036822546366666233?l=sansapprobation.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://sansapprobation.blogspot.com/feeds/2036822546366666233/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=846171859971967553&amp;postID=2036822546366666233' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/846171859971967553/posts/default/2036822546366666233'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/846171859971967553/posts/default/2036822546366666233'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://sansapprobation.blogspot.com/2011/02/identity-and-search-for-significance.html' title='Identity and the Search for Significance'/><author><name>sansapprobation</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/01054558677860972050</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='21' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AhAG8ejWA5U/TtbEAjvUwfI/AAAAAAAAACg/3zsKHTn_Pkc/s220/n68602906_31018071_3209.jpg'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-846171859971967553.post-7092240579800129711</id><published>2010-09-30T15:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-09-30T15:31:00.556-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Easy Way Out</title><content type='html'>So, one of the classes that I am currently taking is Introduction to Spiritual Formation, and in this class, our most recent topic of discussion was The Temptation to Moral Formation. Briefly put, the idea is that Christians often substitute adherence to systems of morality for real spiritual growth. We take instruction from Scripture, and instead of using it to lead us to Christ, we make it a hard and fast rule which we then use as a litmus test of our spirituality. So you get rules like: don't drink; don't smoke; don't dance; don't have sex outside of marriage;&amp;nbsp;dress up on Sundays (in fact, only have church on Sundays). Break any of these rules, and your status as a Christian becomes suspect. That is the Temptation to Moral Formation, and it is something to which far too many Christians fall prey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, I am not saying that moral rules are bad, but when those rules become the end all be all of the Christian life, it leads to anger, bitterness, despair and loss of intimacy. I grew up in a church culture like that, and no one in any church that I attended growing up ever felt like they could admit to anyone that they were anything less than perfect, because to do so would be to open themselves up to rejection. Because, believe me, they would have been rejected. I remember vividly when a girl in my youth group got pregnant when she was 15. Instead of responding to her situation with grace and love, she was held up as an object lesson to the rest of us. She was scorned by her peers, rejected by her elders, and eventually left the church. From what I can tell, her life has gone seriously downhill since then, and I wonder how she might have turned out if her church had treated her with love, instead of judgment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, why do we do it? Simply put, it's a lot easier than the alternative. Developing a real relationship with Christ, and growing in to his image is a long, difficult, and often painful process that requires us to recognize our own vulnerability and come humbly before the God to whom we can give nothing. But checking a set of rules off of a list is easier, and gives us something that we can be proud of, since it is something we can accomplish on our own. If we can keep the rules better than someone else, then we must be better, more spiritual than them. Ultimately, it becomes a system where works replace grace as the foundation for our sanctification. I think it is a tragedy that this is where so much of Christianity has come. This is one of the major reasons that non-Christians see us as angry and judgmental, and it needs to stop. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But how do we change? How do we move from making rules and regulations the center of our faith, to making movement towards Christ the center?&amp;nbsp;Unfortunately, this is one I don't yet have the answer for. See, I am writing this largely about myself. I am exceptionally guilty of giving in to this temptation, and am just now recognizing how it has shaped my life and my relationships. But I am hopeful that there is a solution. 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